VK2NET
September 10, 2010, 03:09:19 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Chat room integrated into forum
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  

VK2NET Home Page

Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Boatanchors get thumbs up  (Read 410 times)
VK2NET
Enjoy your visit
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1664


73's to all


View Profile WWW
« on: November 21, 2009, 01:51:20 PM »

Not that I am an authority on the subject, actually far from it, but from what I have seen those amongst us that love boatanchors, really love them. There doesn’t seem to be any middle ground, you either totally appreciate these behemoths and adore them or you don’t.

Personally, I love the look and feel of them, sure they are big but they are also substantial, they seem to scream out that they have substance and purpose. I wish I had the skill to do one up from scratch, a broken old rig and breathe new life into it, but I’m a little too average with my skill set for that, but I sure do like looking at them, I think I’ll buy a few, if anyone will sell them that is  Roll Eyes
Logged

73's Ron
Anthony Pappin
Full Member
***
Posts: 73



View Profile Email
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 08:11:59 PM »

Hi. I had a beaut boat anchor. I bought it to use when I get my Standard license but I ended up selling it as I needed cash to buy a much needed car. It was a really nice Yaesu FT-101B.
It was in very good condition except the case needed a paint job. I spent many hours listening on the old 101. Even though they only have an analog dial I''d have another one tomorrow.
They are getting old now but if you could find a really good one you''d be more than happy with it. Anthony.
Logged
VK2NET
Enjoy your visit
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1664


73's to all


View Profile WWW
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 11:17:27 AM »

Hi Anthony, I was just wondering if there is any time limit to what constitutes a boatanchor, or is it just the size and technology that goes inside the radio?
Logged

73's Ron
Anthony Pappin
Full Member
***
Posts: 73



View Profile Email
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 11:27:28 AM »

Hi Ron. I think a boat anchor would be any older radio, usually heavy and big, that pre dates miniturised solid state radios. You could say the Kenwood TS-120 is a small boat anchor but you''d only want a small boat! What do other members think on this subject? Anthony.
Logged
VK2NET
Enjoy your visit
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1664


73's to all


View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2009, 01:23:23 PM »

Yes there is a lot of differing opinion about this definition, I think it means different things to different people depending generally on their age. It seems that the older blokes take into account the technical attributes vacuum tubes and so on, whilst younger people generally go by physical weight and age of manufacture.

This topic led me to a search of the Net for possible explanations and I came across a very useful website accredited below, that wrote the following:

ORIGINS OF BOATANCHOR   
THREE VERSIONS -- Opinions From The Internet.

Version I -- During World War II, Military Radio Techs used the term BoatAnchor as they  struggled with the huge, heavy, electronic equipments of the day -- full of transformers, tubes etc. Also the US Navy frequently marked electronic gear with an anchor. After the war -- tons of  the equipment appeared on the surplus market and was dubbed BoatAnchors due to the reasons above - one or both.

Version II -- After WWII a national magazine editor answered a query "As what to do with an  outdated heavy, large, surplus electronic instrument?" and answered "Tie a line to it and use it as a BoatAnchor"

Version III To all those who expressed interest in the CQ magazine reference to boatanchors,  I found it after only an hour or two of skimming. And I also found that some of my recollections were a bit hazy after all those years. The original letter to the editor (not to the "Surplus Editor" as I incorrectly recalled) appeared on page 16 of the October 1956 issue of CQ and was as follows: Gentlemen: I recently acquired a "Signal Corps Wireless Set. No. 19 MK II Transceiver." Are there  schematics or conversion data for this rig? Any info will be appreciated. David J. Wilke W3LSG Pottstown, Pennsylvania The editor replied: The only conversion we seem to have on the files here at CQ calls for 100 feet of 1" Manila line, one end of which is to be tied securely around the MK II Transceiver.

This then converts the unit into a fine anchor for a small boat. If any readers have better conversions we will be glad to hear about them. Ed. This letter apparently generated a lot of interest and in the February 1957 issue of CQ there  was a follow-up from CQ''s editor, another letter from W3LSG and several pictures. If I find  the time I will scan them and post links to them here.
 
The expression "boatanchor" may have originated earlier than 1956, as Doug Hensley pointed out. I found no earlier references in amateur radio than these CQ''s, but there may be some. However, there was no reason to call amateur gear of that era "boatanchors" since almost all of it fit that description. It wasn''t till later when smaller, lighter gear became popular that there was reason to categorize some gear as boatanchors. And it is also interesting to me that a word originally used to denote something of little value, useful only to anchor a small boat, has taken on a more affectionate meaning. We love our "boatanchors". Roger K6XQ
 
And then there is this one from a News Group. "The true determination is generally made by your spouse.  If you can walk in the front door with it, without your spouse asking "and what are you planning to do with that?", it is not a boat anchor.  Boat anchors are brought in during the night or on long weekends. That is CLASSIC! :-)

Reprinted without permission from http://ac6v.com/73.htm#ba
Logged

73's Ron
VK2WAR
Jr. Member
**
Posts: 20



View Profile Email
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 07:05:55 PM »

Hi Guys,

I like this subject because when you think about it, none of what we do today would be possible without the labours of the past.   

I think what we determine to be a "Boat Anchor" is purely speculative.  One mans "Boat Anchor" at the end of the day may be

another mans "pride and joy".  Really being a Military Comms technician, I determine a "Boat Anchor" to be any "Set" that causes

me grief.   In other words, if I have a radio that is always playing up, regardless of how much work I put in to it, if at the end of the

day it is still blowing valves or failing to operate under specs, then to me that Set is a "Boat Anchor".  In other words, I may as well throw

it out into the Arafura sea, as it is a waste of my time, and I may as well use it as an anchor. 

I am after all a Sailor, and therefore it is natural for me to use such a term to describe a piece of kit that is more trouble than it is worth.

Now having said that, it does not mean that the 4 or 5 other Sets I have of the same model and make etc are Boat Anchors also.

They may be.  They may be excellent Sets, and have nothing wrong with them.

So to me, a Boat Anchor has a negative connotation.   Therefore I am careful and will always be careful in describing something someone else

uses to be a Boat Anchor. 

Now in a Previous post, something was mentioned about some military items being Heavy. 

Very true.   On a Guided Missile Frigate, we have some transmitters, and those transmitters have power supplies that weigh 89 kilograms.

If one has ever tried to remove a 23V by its four relative subassemblies, inclusive of the Antenna Coupler.  On and off a ship, thus up and down

ladder bays, and through hatches, as I have, requiring a multitude of persons and a lot of rope and heavy lifting, then I can tell you right now, that

if you have, you will be describing that set as a boat anchor with every step in the process of moving it on or off.  Then add another 5 sets. 

It takes a lot of hard work, and a crane, if you can get one for a day.   So in this case, there may be nothing wrong with the equipment. 

It may not be troublesome, but I can tell you it weighs a bloody lot, and its difficult and troublesome to get on and off a moving platform.

Hence to me it may as well be used as a boat anchor, because I can go down to Andrews and pick up a cheap replacement (comparative), that will probably do the same job.

Now that is a different story. 

But at the end of the day, you can call a cow a chicken, but it doesnt mean its going to lay any eggs for your breakfast (copyrighted by me 1995 LOL). 

Anyways, thats my thoughts on the matter. 


Jase.


Logged
VK2NET
Enjoy your visit
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1664


73's to all


View Profile WWW
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 07:25:05 PM »

Wow, what an awesome posting Jase, that sheer magic, good on you  Grin

That’s a very good insight into your thinking and you make several good points as well as give an insight into what sailors can be called on to do on a regular basis, I hope you haven’t shared any National secrets, I’d hate to have to delete the posting under orders from whomever it is that looks after our security.

I think everyone agrees on two points,  the origins of the term Boatanchor has changed in recent years and the term means different things to different people. Once again Jase, a top posting and I’ll have to create some sort of award and give it to you  Shocked
Logged

73's Ron
vk4dwh
Newbie
*
Posts: 7


Picture is when I am aeronautical mobile.


View Profile Email
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2010, 10:16:47 PM »

Do an IC-2A, IC-22, a Kenwood TS-120S and a Drake TR7 qualify?
That is most of my gear.
Logged

David
First licensed as VK4NSC in 1978
upgraded to VK4KOM in 1983
and finally got my initials in a full call in 1991
I am officially qualified to join the OTN (old timers net) for hams who have been licensed for 25 years or more, but haven't quite got around to it yet.
more info on qrz.com
VK2NET
Enjoy your visit
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1664


73's to all


View Profile WWW
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2010, 11:56:09 AM »

G''day David, despite selling my TS-120 just before Christmas, I didn''t think of it as a boatanchor, I thought of it as a great, reliable example of yesterdays enduring technology that paved the way for today, in a reasonable size but unfortunately fairly low powered. If it had 100w or more I''d have kept it forever. Anthony (a very active member of this forum) has one and he guards it and protects it with a zeal that is commendable, he absolutely loves it  Shocked
Logged

73's Ron
VK7ZL
Guest
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2010, 08:05:19 AM »

Do an IC-2A, IC-22, a Kenwood TS-120S and a Drake TR7 qualify?
That is most of my gear.

A true boat anchor is ALL valve although hybrids (valve PA''s in the case of xmtrs) come under the same label.
Logged
VK2NET
Enjoy your visit
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1664


73's to all


View Profile WWW
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 10:14:07 AM »

I did a quick Google around and of course there are plenty of pages, but this site seems to have a good take on Boatanchors: http://www.antiqueradiomuseum.org/boatanchorradios.htm The chap says the following:

definition of a Boat Anchor radio is a radio that weighs enough that it could be used as a boat anchor. 

Yah, I know, it all depends on the size of the boat. I think the cutoff point is around 30 pounds so any radio in that vicinity or greater could be considered a Boat Anchor Radio.

Additionally, the expression Boat Anchor typically only applies to amateur radios of the tube era. I know there are some old broadcast radios in hardwood cabinets that could not only anchor a boat, but could possibly sink it!

This bloke is essentially agreeing with you VK7ZL  Grin
Logged

73's Ron
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.8 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!